Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthy

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Despite what you think, it's actually not Groundhog Day. Late yesterday, President Obama summoned the press to pontificate about the debt ceiling for the seventh time since the beginning of June. Last night, Obama actually appeared to be presidential, something that was non-existent at his Friday press conference, where his inner man-child showed up to blame Republicans, corporate jets and talk radio for the debt ceiling fallout. The president's speech was purely partisan, with the focus of blaming his predecessor, George W. Bush, and that tone remained. It seems like somebody didn't get their toy this weekend at the toy store because Obama was still whining and blaming his opposition. We've yet to count how many times 'I' was mentioned, but in the meantime, here's a recap of his speech.

If anybody has a secured job in this White House, it's the people that run the corporate jet focus groups. These were mentioned again, along with the standard rhetoric of the oil companies and wealthy Americans not needing tax cuts and how they need to share the sacrifice. Yawn. His tone, although less-whiny and more professional from Friday, was ultimately the same: class warfare on the wealthy, while blaming the GOP as a roadblock. He even mentioned millionaires and billionaires again, which, when translated, means any American making more than $200,000 a year, which ultimately hurts small business owners and employment.

Obama's speech opened with a statement that he took office with a $1 trillion deficit - which isn't true, it was much higher - but that his predecessor had a surplus that was spent on new tax cuts - which increased federal revenue - and on two wars. Absolutely Bush spent too much, but we didn't see any Democrats complaining, and, judging by their drunken spending binge, they're really looking to blame the GOP for their mess. And let's be honest, there hasn't been a surplus in 50 years. Adding the unfunded liabilities for entitlements, the U.S. is trillions of dollars in the red.

READ: Obama Lashes Out at Republicans, Corporate Jets and Talk Radio Over Debt

The shift in tone went towards fear mongering, where Barry Soetoro stated that if Congress doesn't pass a debt ceiling bill by August 2, senior citizens won't get their Social Security checks. This is actually a choice because the federal government will have enough money to pay their interest on the debt, as well as Social Security, veterans benefits, etc. Fear is the emotion Obama and Democrats are using to push their lack of a plan, which fails to address spending cuts.

After scaring the elderly, Obama went right back after the wealthy, where he asked the wealthiest Americans and corporations to pay more by removing tax loopholes. This is where his attack on corporate jet owners appeared once again. One would think corporate jet owners are more of threat than terrorism, as they've been the focus of nearly all deficit speeches given by our incompetent leader. He pushed for Senate Majority Leader and walking disorder Harry Reid's debt ceiling plan, which actually includes money not spent in Afghanistan, thus not being a real spending cut. What's amazing is that the Democrats finally decided to put together a bill with just eight days before the August 2 deadline, showing their concern with the issue.

Despite invoking Ronald Reagan, Obama did not complete his mission of appealing to moderates. The partisan bickering is getting annoying to people, especially because the facts are not on the side of the Democrats. Cut, Cap and Balance does not gut Medicare, as Schmucky Schumer claims it does. The better fact to point out is that every single Senate Democrat voted to cut $500 billion from Medicare when they rammed Obamacare down the throats of the American people. How's that for Mediscare?

President Obama is the one that's political posturing to ensure there isn't another debt ceiling vote before the 2012 election because he's knows it's a fight he can't win. Government stimulus and tax increases will not fix the economy or reduce the deficit. Even a community agitator should understand that, though, it's whether he wants to understand it. In part, many Democrats see the lack of passed bill as a benefit to demonize Republicans, even though it won't have been there fault.

The bigger issue at play is ideology and the fact that Democrats will have a tough time pushing their social justice policies after the 2012 election. America is a capitalist society that wasn't built with government handouts. If you don't like it, you don't have to stay. There are no gulags and individuals can come and go as they please. But realize this, to the liberal readers, history is not on the side of the policies they're pushing for. Granted, liberalism has no rearview mirror, but that doesn't mean America needs to be "fundamentally transformed."

House Speaker John Boehner responded to Obama's speech and laid out the framework that the White House has been working so hard to spin. Boehner called Obama out on his many lies, but there's still much more work to do. All told, Obama's speech was the same name-calling we've heard for so long, with the same push for taxing job creators. If he had spoken to Harry Reid, Obama would know that there aren't tax increases in his plan, so he's going to be disappointed when his war against the wealthy doesn't get fully implemented.

We predict a deal will be made and that America's credit rating will still be reduced because of the lack of attention on reducing the spending and the deficit. And if you saw how the president looked - tired, aging - this was Obama's Nixon moment.

Darrell Lect is a contributing editor for Habledash.

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+54 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyDavid 2011-07-26 09:57
I'd have to agree with the comment at the end: "This website is satirical, though, not many elements of this article possess those attributes."

Nothing was very funny about this article.
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-42 # Mrs.Solveig 2011-07-26 10:32
Fantastic article - unfunny subject. What Obama is hoping is that the majority of Americans will forget what they voted for over a half year ago in getting spending under control. It seems that Boehner is trying to stick to that mandate made when Obama received his "shellacking" last November. At least Republicans are coming up with plans and trying their hardest to respect the American people's wishes. We all know that Reid and Pelosi never had a single budget plan while they ruled together.
As for the commenter below, it is a fact that at least half of all Americans pay no taxes, so in my view, they aren't entitled to anything.
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+73 # Not my wishLori 2011-07-26 10:44
It is not my wish to drive the whole country off a cliff. I am not a wealthy American but I am an American, too! Why should I pay to subsidize corporate jets, private jets, yachts, designer clothes? I just want to pay my mortage on time, go to the movies once in a while and maybe the diner with my husband. I don't feel sorry for the wealthy. They did well in the eighties and the nineties before the tax cuts and they will do well again if some loopholes were closed. The economy is STILL in the tank despite preserving the tax cuts.
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-34 # RE: Not my wishCraig 2011-07-26 11:24
Quoting Lori:
I don't feel sorry for the wealthy. They did well in the eighties and the nineties before the tax cuts and they will do well again if some loopholes were closed. .



You don't realize that the number of people who were able to rise and work themselves into wealth tripled during the 80's and 90's due to lower tax rates, which increased revenue. If you're only interested in making things fare for you, then you obviously don't care about revenue.
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+27 # RE: RE: Not my wishChris 2011-07-26 12:47
WRONG! You're talking about the obscene income gap accelerating in growth under Reagan. The same wealthy individuals just got wealthier, not more people worked themselves into wealth. Do the research on that one and you'll find that you're quite wrong. Also, try to explain why only 2% (those who make $250K and up annually) hold about half of the entire wealth and pay much less in tax than the remaining 98%.
Reaganomics gave this wonderful country false growth by doing the easy thing, cutting CORPORATE taxes. Oh, and that growth came at the expense of much lesser developed countries. At the time, developing countries like Japan, China etc. Remember how many electronics were manufactured in Japan in the 80's and 90's? Remember how many other items were manufactured in Hong Kong? They created revenue, and they created jobs overseas. Now you almost cannot find anything manufactured in the USA. Go REAGANOMICS!!!! !
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-10 # RE: RE: RE: Not my wishEric 2011-07-26 13:34
The top 2% pay much less in tax than the remaining 98% - what are you talking about? The USA has a highly graduated income tax. I'm paying 33% on my last dollar plus am subject to additional AMT; am I really not paying enough? I'm just barely "lucky" enough to slide into Obama's "rich" $250k per family category. I do not consider myself rich, but I am paying a LOT in taxes.
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+19 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Not my wishJeff 2011-07-26 14:52
Eric, you are not in the 2%. If you were, you would be receiving your income from capital gains, which is currently taxed at 15%. You would have to have $100,000,000 in assets to join that club...
If you don't like it here, you can go to another country and pay 50-75%.
That is the reason the Super-rich live in the USA. I imagine that the peons like us will revolt eventually. If all the Billionaires died the deficit would be covered by the death tax...
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not my wishJim 2011-07-27 01:49
Jeff, it is made up numbers and ideas which make people such as yourself (fanatics of each side and you are obviously fanatically liberal) appear so stupid. There are 311 million people in America, 2% is 6 million. 6 million x 100 million (your made up number) equals 6 quadrillion ( I'm assuming you don's know but this comes after trillion). That is 100 times the entire world GDP for last year. Eric's income of $250,000 is between the top 2% and 1.5% of income. Just Google it if you doubt this post. You are obviously on a computer with internet access. You do not have to make stuff up Al Gore invented this thing called the internet... use it.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not my wishForeign American 2011-07-27 07:06
Quoting Jim:
There are 311 million people in America, 2% is 6 million. 6 million x 100 million (your made up number) equals 6 quadrillion ( I'm assuming you don's know but this comes after trillion). That is 100 times the entire world GDP for last year.


Jim, I guess you're not an accountant.
6,000,000 x 100,000,000=600,000,000,000,000
That is 600 trillion. But your point about Jeff's made up numbers still stands.
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-2 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not my wishAmy Sterling 2011-07-27 04:55
Quoting Jeff:
I imagine that the peons like us will revolt eventually. If all the Billionaires died the deficit would be covered by the death tax...


Which year of the deficit? And how would you recommend they "re-die" for succeeding years?
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+3 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not my wishJohn 2011-07-27 08:38
Quoting Amy Sterling:
Quoting Jeff:
I imagine that the peons like us will revolt eventually. If all the Billionaires died the deficit would be covered by the death tax...


Which year of the deficit? And how would you recommend they "re-die" for succeeding years?

Amy that is fantastic! If we only had several thousand billionaires to extract the death tax from each year, we'd have the long dreamt "endless supply of tax dollars" they soooo crave.
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+12 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Not my wishDavidPun 2011-07-27 00:12
I don't think those in the 250k to 1milllion range are paying low taxes. It is the 1 million and up crowd who have access to specially crafted tax shelters and gimmicks that effectively drop their taxes to zero. As far as I know, the large number of bankers on Wall Street making 20 million per year and up are paying on average less than 15% tax on their monies.
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+2 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not my wishsam 2011-07-27 08:40
ahh, thank you! people confuse making 250K a year with basically free money and no taxes. There are plenty of people that work VERY hard for 250,000 per year. It depends on how you make it. Capital gains, rentals, etc are COMPLETELY different from wages. As an extreme example to support your point, on a larger scale companies like GE and Verizon paid no taxes or negative taxes. check out :http://www.ctj .org/pdf/12corp s060111.pdf . I wish people would stop basing their anger on how much a person makes, but how they make it. Its an extremely important detail and has a heavy correlation with how they are taxes (versus how they should be taxed). People who WORK for a living or work for WAGES should all be in the same tax low bracket regardless of what they make per year. People who make real outright INCOME (cash flow) should be taxed more heavily.
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+9 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Not my wishnaksuthin 2011-07-27 01:51
You voted for a trillion dollar war
in Iraq and Afghanistan. And now you don't want to pay for it??
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-3 # RE: RE: RE: Not my wishPete 2011-07-26 19:33
Actually manufacturing went away after Clinton and the free trade agreements.
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Not my wishchris 2011-07-27 08:38
WRONG! it wasn't REAGANOMICS! It was NAFTA, AND THE FREE TRADE WITH CHINA ACT. In other words Slick Willy policies are coming home to roost. That is why things aren't made here anymore. That is why the unemployment rate is so high. His "service" economy has failed.
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+27 # OK, Let's return to 80's & 90's tax ratesdarian smith 2011-07-26 13:08
OK Let's return to 80s and 90s tax rates.
That will solve the deficit.
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+6 # RE: OK, Let's return to 80's & 90's tax ratesBob Breitweg 2011-07-27 00:05
This is the united States......... .. We the people need to be united of issues like this. We all pay to get if fixed. Or we are not united, and fight with each other over who does not have to pay. It's a fixable problem if we ALL pitch in. It's blood in the streets, if we all don't.
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+10 # RE: RE: OK, Let's return to 80's & 90's tax ratesnaksuthin 2011-07-27 01:54
The myth is that the rich are paying
too much taxes. Well then , let's return to the tax rates under Ronald Reagan. They all loved the man.
So they'll love his tax rates too.
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0 # OK, Let's return to 80's & 90's tax ratesJason 2011-07-27 07:54
Done....where do I sign. If you libs are going to play the false card of, we love Reagan, then let's do it. I will take the tax rates of 1988 when Reagan's work was complete. I'm guessing you're actually talking about the Carter tax rates which took 8 years to phase out.
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+1 # RE: OK, Let's return to 80's & 90's tax ratesVance 2011-07-28 12:47
It didn't take 8 years for Reagan to lower income taxes across the board but back-peddle when the fiscal ship hit the sand. Except, in response, he only raised the payroll tax. Guess whic segment of our society got creamed by that. A hint, it wasn't the wealthy.
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0 # RE: RE: OK, Let's return to 80's & 90's tax ratessam 2011-07-27 08:42
It sounds like bob has a solution guys.
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+1 # RE: RE: Not my wishdarwan 2011-07-28 17:03
Quoting Craig:
Quoting Lori:
I don't feel sorry for the wealthy. They did well in the eighties and the nineties before the tax cuts and they will do well again if some loopholes were closed. .



You don't realize that the number of people who were able to rise and work themselves into wealth tripled during the 80's and 90's due to lower tax rates, which increased revenue. If you're only interested in making things fare for you, then you obviously don't care about revenue.
I don't think you understand all this "bounty" and growth came at a dear cost for others. Your statement just doesn't hold to factual history.

But I have little doubt you and many of your friends did quite well in the Reagan years, many did! but not enough. Your gains were some American's losses.
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0 # RE: RE: Not my wishDarwan 2011-10-05 21:16
"You don't realize that the number of people who were able to rise and work themselves into wealth tripled during the 80's and 90's due to lower tax rates, which increased revenue." Hmmm Can you supply a link that might offer support for your claim?
Thank You, D
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+11 # RE: Mrs.justiceserved 2011-07-26 13:18
No, they voted for JOBS! Every poll puts the debt behind worries about jobs. Most polls give it less than 10% as major issue. The Rep. only idea is too cut taxes-10 years of it, and NO new jobs! This Congress has been the do-nothing Congress and it starts w/o one jobs bill coming from Boehner & the blowhard T-Party!
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+8 # RE: RE: Mrs.zarya 2011-07-26 18:15
the tax cuts were set to expire last year under the dems. but they all voted to extend them. what is the problem?they were bush tax breaks but now they belong to obama
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+5 # RE: RE: Mrs.mickeyl 2011-07-27 03:44
It's mystifying, how do the 2% of ultra-wealthy Republicans convince the remaining feeble-minded Republicans to vote an extension of a Trillion-Dollar s tax-break that benefits only 2% of the U.S. population?
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-1 # RE: RE: RE: Mrs.Jason 2011-07-27 08:00
Actually Bush's tax cuts produced an increase of revenue of 27% to the government by 2008. This infantile platitude is getting old. Have you ever wondered why businesses have sales? Here's a hint, it's not to lose money. But then you have clearly never run a business or created any jobs. So why don't you leave it to those who have to tell you how its done.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: Mrs.Mommi 2011-07-27 08:28
The comradery of their angst concerning that black man in the white house. United we stand, divided we fall. Peace.
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0 # How do Democrats convince you of stupid stats like thatInnocent 2011-07-27 10:05
Mickeyl,

Because we realize it is A Trillion Dollars over 12 years. Or about $80 Billion a year and that means that in the end it is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the good it can do. Plus the more money you give the Federal Government the more money it overspends.
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+20 # Mr.Eldon Kimball 2011-07-26 16:06
I don't think you have been watching the polls. The American people believe that the wealthy and corporations should pay their share and Boehner will not consider any closing of loopholes, much less ask them to pay as much tax as you and I do.
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0 # RE: Mr.Jason 2011-07-27 08:11
Done...where do I sign. If you agree to let me do the cuts necessary to balance the budget, I'll give you your $30 million dollar corporate jet subsidy loophole.

If however you are asking me to raise $1 trillion plus in taxes and watch 10 more percent of my fellow employees be walked out the door to cut costs, I'll tell you where you can go. Boehner had agreed to Obama's $800 billion revenue increase proposal prior to Obama asking for more.

Spending went up roughly $1 trillion when Obama took office while revenue dropped $400 billion thanks to unemployment skyrocketing to 10%. Tell me how you're going to cut costs $1 trillion and I'll let you come up with a plan to decrease unemployment to Bush's 6% to recover the $400 billion in revenue. So please explain again how your plan will decrease unemployment.
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-5 # RE: Mrs.Schmoozer 2011-07-26 18:07
Mark my words. "It is all Bush fault" line will be used again during Barry's re-election campaign.
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+2 # Rightly soFrank 2011-07-27 04:05
Yes, but it's not off limits for the Obama campaign to speak the truth, is it? (But to be fair, raising the debt ceiling too often is Ronny Reagan's fault, too :-)
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+7 # RE: Mrs.DavidPun 2011-07-27 00:02
I agree that the GOP are strongly focused on making sacrifices. In fact they are really working very hard to see who they can sacrifice, and you can bet it it will not be anyone on their side.
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+5 # RE: Mrs.Jim 2011-07-27 01:37
The didn't vote for spending cuts on those who need the money the most while cutting taxes for those who need it least. The spending debate is a joke. 2 Billion for oil companies while they tried to cut the same amount from food stamps.
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0 # RE: RE: Mrs.KB 2011-07-27 10:07
Jim, I don't think that anyone on food stamps can be counted on to create a job. Spending money on entitlements does NOTHING for the economy, except worsen it. And as for tax cuts, they were for EVERYONE, not just "the rich", as most of the mainstream media would have you believe (as obviously you do). When "the rich" pay a higher percentage of their income, as well as a higher dollar amount in taxes, and 47% of the population pay NOTHING in income taxes, I fail to see where "the rich" don't pay their fair share.
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+7 # Irresponsiblenaksuthin 2011-07-27 01:50
That the issue of the debt ceiling should be tied to anything at all is insane. It's like a wife using her card to buy things..then refusing to pay the bill unless her husband agrees to stop drinking.
First of all there is nothing good that can come out of refusing to pay your bills. Even the threat of not paying what you already owe is enough to make your creditors think twice about extending you credit.
It's true this country has overspent and everyone is to blame. Politicians voted for every increase in military spending and threw a trillion dollars down the drain on two wasted wars. We've wasted billions on the war on drugs, building border fences, No Child Left Behind, the medicare prescription drug program, prison for drug abusers and prostitutes, aid to countries like Israel , Star wars missile defense etc etc.
But since there is no desire to cut any such waste, why sacrifice our credit rating if we aren't serious about cutting spending?
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+1 # RE: Mrs.darwan 2011-07-27 07:46
well the 50% figure was from 2009 and has been changed to 35 % not paying taxes. Which is still a lot but not 50%

As for the huge midterm "gains" in 2008. The GOP was in the unique position where it was gains or get out of town and should not be looked upon as some midterm "mandate" and words spoken from the burning bush.
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+28 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyanup 2011-07-26 11:45
While there are some valid points here, most of the article is one sided partisan BS. Example: "And let's be honest, there hasn't been a surplus in 50 years." WRONG! there was a federal surplus under Bill Clinton - just before W took office. Read the wikipedia article if you dont believe it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton.

Stop getting all your info from republican propoganda, and try some neutral sources for a change. Fact is, its republicans and democrats fault equally that we are in this mess, but its republicans that are unwilling to compromise to rive a solution.
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+3 # studentSleppi Bupkin 2011-07-26 13:02
Please learn the difference between the DEBT and deficit
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthymontek 2011-07-26 17:23
While I agree that fault lies with both republicans and democrats, I must ask... REALLY? You are referencing wikipedia as a source? Wikipedia is neither neutral nor, in many cases, accurate. What you're really saying is "stop getting all your info from republican propaganda and start getting it from anti-republican propaganda". Give me a break.
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+2 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyArvind 2011-07-26 21:51
I'm sorry... are you saying majority of the people online are "anti-republica n"? Because as far as I understand - 'Wikipedia' is editable by anyone! You really don't need a dem card to add information to it. Honest! Go ahead.. try it yourself :)
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+2 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAmanda 2011-07-26 18:03
anup
...did you SERIOUSLY just site wikipedia as a source?! REALLY
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyArvind 2011-07-26 21:55
Quoting Amanda:
anup
...did you SERIOUSLY just site wikipedia as a source?! REALLY


Wikipedia is 'knowledge as held and supported by the population' - not really a set of idiots in an organization filling random lines. So really.. if you think you have the real facts - please DO go ahead and correct the Wikipedia article. I won't take it as gospel... but if it stays up and is supported by others - atleast i'll know that's how the majority of the population understands it (citing references and all).
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyKB 2011-07-27 10:16
Read the wikipedia article if you dont believe it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton.

Stop getting all your info from republican propoganda, and try some neutral sources for a change. Fact is, its republicans and democrats fault equally that we are in this mess, but its republicans that are unwilling to compromise to rive a solution.

Really? Get your info from a neutral source, such as Wikipedia? The public-supplied , un-verified reference website? But I'm sure that there is NEVER any bias in those entries...
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+17 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyMarvin8 2011-07-26 12:58
I truly wonder how this habledash website keeps popping up on Google News as a "satire" website. It is not satirical at all, and consists of nothing but conservative windbaggery.
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+1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthynaksuthin 2011-07-27 01:55
One thing has been made perfectly clear in this debate
Republicans represent the interest of the rich and powerful.
Democrats represent the poor and middle class.
All the polls seem to agree on that.
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+2 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthymickeyl 2011-07-27 03:42
It's mystifying, how do the 2% of ultra-wealthy Republicans convince the remaining feeble-minded Republicans to vote an extension of a Trillion-Dollar s tax-break that benefits only 2% of the U.S. population?
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthydarwan 2011-07-27 07:59
It is astonishing isn't it? I believe this comes from the notion; "What can you do for me?" kind of thinking.

Their whole precepts of honor, honesty, equitable and fair is predicated from the position of self. Or to say, fairness can not be view in the abstract.

What good are you if you can't help me?
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0 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthya. o. gaston 2011-07-27 08:35
There are no gulags and individuals can come and go as they please. Please tell that to the individuals from south, central America and
Haiti
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+1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthydarwan 2011-07-27 21:30
Attempting to use the spoken word to get people to do their jobs is fear mongering :sigh: I guess the true purpose of their job need review then.
It's a high stake game and if the GOP plans to double down with the Tea Party , so be it. ~ Deal the last few cards,. they may take a few hands but they will end up loosing their seat with what looks like a 2008 remake of a bad movie.
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+27 # AmericanAmerican 2011-07-26 10:01
Its too late to save the country. Both parties spent too much and now special interest groups won't let the spending stop. Enjoy the ride to the ash heap of history America!
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+48 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyJoan 2011-07-26 10:07
I don't find anything funny about Republicans trying to cut medicare while refusing to remove pork from the tax code. That is exactly what is going on and Americans should not stop saying it just becuase it makes some right wingers squirm in their seats.

The only class warfare being waged is that done by Republicans who whine about an imaginary "entitlement culture", or when they lie and say "half of Americans don't pay taxes. Everything Republicans do and say is class war. Are you going to fight back?
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+18 # class warfarepmc123 2011-07-26 10:28
One could easily make the case that almost everything republicans do is class warfare. I am sure they don't feel they are waging warfare against me when I drive by a 10,000 square foot mansion or they drive by in a BMW or Mercedes but really it is. They rub their wealth in other peoples faces and expect us not to notice?
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+51 # Class war is overRobert 2011-07-26 10:46
The class war has already been fought & the rich have won in a rout. The middle class is now an endangered species.
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+4 # RE: Class war is overMike 2011-07-26 20:29
Amen brother you said it all. Welcome to poverty central, and a country were every working man & women will be forced to work multiple part time jobs for too little pay and no health insurance.
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-28 # Since when is listening "giving in"jabberwolf 2011-07-26 10:47
The house in mass switched to Republican and the House is close to even.

Is this to be ignored?

Most intelligent people are looking at economic strategy that WORKS, the others are burried in propaganda = thus the Obama class warfare.

Obama is into class warfare because his economic strategy is a failure. But if you can blame the rich and try to ignore funamentals you can get dumb dumbs to repeat Propaganda about mansions etc...
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+4 # Working Poor aka Middle ClassTom Jones 2011-07-26 16:39
You are the mindless slurper of propaganda. Tell me one thing the Republitards have done for you? In 30 years of pretty much right-wing dominated politics has your income gone up? Your benefits? Your peace of mind? The disparity in wealth (that means the difference- just in case you don't know what disparity means) between the top 2% and the rest of us is GREATER than it has ever been in this country. The Right use the uneducated of the US as tools to allow their true constituents (the rich) to screw ALL of us. Get a clue.
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+1 # Uneducated huh?Innocent 2011-07-26 17:16
Okay so please show us oh learned one how to 'balance' the budget as you know WAY more than us uneducated types. I mean Obama isn't talking about balancing the budget, he is just griping that the 'rich' are not paying more than they currently are. How much should they pay? How much can you make someone pay before they move to greener pastures?
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+5 # RE: Uneducated huh?StuckInUtah 2011-07-26 18:40
I agree that the term "their fair share" is getting thrown around a lot recently without an explanation of what it means. Obviously, it means something different to different people.

Since the 90s were rather prosperous times comparatively, why not go back to those tax rates?
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-1 # Okay We go back to those tax ratesInnocent 2011-07-26 19:42
Okay so we go back to those tax rates. How much more revenue does that generate? I will give you a hint it is not much more than $100 Billion. And that is across the board back to Clinton Era taxes. That only leaves $1.55 Trillion in Deficits. The problem is that you had an economy back then that was growing rapidly and had more and more people becoming rich ( please note not middle class ) So revenue went up comparably. By the same token 2007 was VERY prosperous and except for the war we were almost back to a debt neutral revenue stream ( minus the war only $160 Billion in the red )

The problem is that economies fluctuate. Keynesian Economics does not work, and to be honest simply encourages inflation. But to be honest I have no problem going back to that tax rate but it does not solve the problem we are now facing.
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+2 # RE: Okay We go back to those tax ratesStuckInUtah 2011-07-26 19:52
I wasn't suggesting that it would solve the problem entirely, only that it might help. I have no problem with cutting spending, but I don't hear a lot of specifics from ANYONE on that subject.
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+2 # No Problem I understand That is the ProblemInnocent 2011-07-26 20:02
StuckInUtah,
No Problem, I am just sick of hearing 'raise taxes' because it does not fix the problem which is that we have a down economy and simply do not have enough tax payers to pay for anything. The truth is we have become dependent on the wealthy to pay for government while at the same time increasing the governments size to a hereto untold size. Tax increases are not the solution. Getting people to stop depending on a government to regulate and solve all their problems in my own mind is the issue.

I can tell you exactly what we need to do to balance the budget but no one will want to do it.

1 ) Stop social spending on the Federal Level. - I know this will anger or scare a lot of people but to be honest the government is not equipped to deal with a third of a billion people. It is not responsive enough and regional differences simply do not play well on a Federal Stage.

2 ) Stop the Wars, this will cut $350 Billion right away
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+3 # RE: No Problem I understand That is the ProblemStuckInUtah 2011-07-26 20:23
Well, we will just have to agree to disagree (sorry for the cliche). I have heard from a certain Republican senator this fallacy that poor people don't pay enough, and certainly it is true if you look strictly at the percentages. The bottom 50% of income-earning people pay 3% of the taxes even though they earn 11% of the money.

The average yearly income for people in that group is $35k, which is barely livable in most parts of the country. Sure, we can say those people just don't work hard enough and they just need to assert themselves more, but the fact is that those people and their place in society is what makes it possible for the people at the top. Therefore, it doesn't seem too much to ask that they pay more. It's not punishing them for being successful.

As for your two suggestions, I agree completely only with 2, but agree that some concessions on social programs (mostly in the efficiency department) may be necessary under the circumstances.
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+5 # Actual Percent based on last Availalbe Public Income Tax InfoInnocent 2011-07-26 20:54
Well here is the amount people paid in Income tax by Amount Earned ( from IRS in 2008 which is the most recent information I can get from them )
Households not in full employment ( under $15,000 a year ) earned $268 Billion and were taxed $2.1 Billion or effectively 0.7% of their income.
Those that made between $15,000 to $30,000 were taxed ( again according to the IRS ) made $655 Billion and were taxed $19 Billion or an effective 2.9% tax rate
Those that made between $30,000 and $75,000 made $3.2 Trillion and paid $241 Billion in taxes and effective rate of 7.5%
Those that made between $75,000 and $200,000 earned a total of $2.85 Trillion and were taxed $324 Billion or 11.36%
Finally you have those over $200,000 that earned $2.5 trillion and paid $536 Billion in Federal Tax, or about 22%

That means in 2008 we earned as a nation about $8.25 Trillion and paid in taxes $1 Trillion

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+2 # ContinuationInnocent 2011-07-26 21:08
Now this may seem like the 'rich' did not pay very much but as far as a proportion they paid a great deal, and this is not counting the taxes that they get hit with on the state level, which I am not going to get into. However you will note that in effect a good portion of people pay almost no federal tax.

Now the total spending in 2008 was $5.3 Trillion dollars between Federal, State, and Local Governments. So that means we earned 8.25 Trillion and we spent $5.3 Trillion in total. Now perhaps it is just me but does that not seem a trifle high to you? Now admittedly they had 'several' sources of revenue for all this but in the end it came out of someone's pocket book.

Also please note that I say the FEDERAL government should not be in charge of social programs. States can do what they wish. Federally I only want them to protect me and keep a judicial system running.
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+3 # In conclusionInnocent 2011-07-26 21:11
On a Federal level I want a flat tax. I want a military, I want a judiciary and a few other odds and ends via transportation etc. I think that a flat tax of 10% can accomplish this on the Federal level, that would mean in 2008 you would have had $800 Billion to pay for the military, Judiciary, and roads.

States could then run what they want. Just my take on it. But states I have found are much more responsible with their Budgets than the Federal Government ( well except maybe California but then they probably should be several states now as well )
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0 # confused & tiredtnrthoma 2011-07-29 08:30
what military? Why do we NEED a military ? For more unfunded wars?????
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0 # I am more than happy to get rid of itInnocent 2011-07-29 11:30
Chuck it out then, we are still liable for more than we can pay.
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+1 # Still moreInnocent 2011-07-26 20:06
3 ) pass a balanced budget amendment. Yes make it so there is no debt ceiling more than say 10% of GDP and no way to increase it more than that ( a little debt is a good thing )

4 ) I believe in a flat tax, not because I believe the 'rich' deserve a break but because I believe it is too easy for people to grow complacent and engage in silly class warfare rather than simply work for more that they want.

5 ) Get rid of a majority of regulations, they are only used after the fact anyway. This does not mean ALL regulations, there are standards that business must be accountable to but rarely is a law written well enough to keep malfeasance from occurring anyway.

6 ) Did I mention no more social spending on the Federal Level? Well that is the biggy, currently it is simply TOO HIGH and they have shown they are not responsible enough to handle it.
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+1 # RE: Still moreStuckInUtah 2011-07-26 20:44
Yeah, opposite sides of the fence here. The flat tax sounds good on the surface, but it would be incredibly irresponsible of the government to institute such a thing.

It's not always a matter of working more for what you want. When businesses get larger, they get more powerful, almost to the point of government and capable of using their enormous wealth to unbalance their rivals and keep the little man down. I suppose you think that is fair, but I believe in a level playing field.
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0 # what?????tnrthoma 2011-07-29 08:33
I am working ( 6 hrs per wk & NOT my choice) & my husband works FT. We are below the poverty line but do not expect our Govt to " bail us out?" We barely pay our bills ( including taxes) we don't mind ( for the benefit of all) to suffer but spread the joy around!!!!!
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0 # I'll hire youInnocent 2011-07-29 11:31
I can give you full time employment if you would like ( or part time if you wish )
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0 # RE: class warfareMrsCrash 2011-07-26 17:47
If you don't like what you have in life then get off your butt and get an education and make more money. It is called free enterprise. If we did away with the Earned Income Credit we would save billions every year. It is amazing that someone can get a tax credit of $7k a year because they have 2 kids and work at a minumum wage job. Why is it okay to take my tax dollars paid and give them to someone else? Get educated and get out of my checkbook!
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+4 # RE: RE: class warfareDavidPun 2011-07-27 00:36
I think you have got it totally wrong. There simply aren't enough jobs to cater for all the college graduates we are pumping out today. Once the deficit/debt problem is fixed, I think you're going to find that a lot of the current American standard of living is based on nothing of any financial substance, and we had better all get used to the idea of a very significantly lower standard of living.
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+1 # RE: RE: class warfaremickeyl 2011-07-27 03:45
It's mystifying, how do the 2% of ultra-wealthy Republicans convince the remaining feeble-minded Republicans to vote an extension of a Trillion-Dollar s tax-break that benefits only 2% of the U.S. population?
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+2 # RE: RE: class warfareduh 2011-07-27 04:13
Here's my question - if the wealthy can't pay taxes because they're creating jobs... why are unemployment numbers so high right now?
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-3 # Removing Pork from the Tax codeInnocent 2011-07-26 17:08
Okay, So lets say that we remove ALL the pork from the tax code. Where does that get us? Lets say that we go from 35% to 38% on the 'rich' and they actually pay the entire amount. That increases the amount they pay from $500 Billion to $950 Billion... And leaves us still adding $1.2 Trillion to the Deficit. All income earned in the USA in 2008 was $8.25 Trillion. The total cost of Government that year 9 Federal, State and Local, was $5.7 Trillion. So sure I am sure increasing taxes is the solution to this.
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+22 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyRob Houck 2011-07-26 10:07
I agree with David. No humor here. Perhaps that's appropriate given the subject. The problem with the Right's position - if Obama gives in, then there is no end to the concessions he will have to make. He has already moved so far right that it's hard to recognize the guy.
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0 # He is....tnrthoma 2011-07-29 08:36
doing an adult thing- the fine art of COMPROMISE!!!! Nobody is going to get everything they want ( either side) so come together already!
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+36 # Satire?Al Marks 2011-07-26 10:08
This is as far from satire as it gets. The writers at habledash are untalented, unfunny, and unbelievably dumb. I'm going post this now before the site disintegrates due to lack of interest.
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+4 # illiterate?Sean 2011-07-26 10:16
Quoting Al Marks:
The writers at habledash are untalented, unfunny, and unbelievably dumb.


Don't forget illiterate... "...have been there[sic] fault..."
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+19 # RE: Satire?pmc123 2011-07-26 10:35
This explains it "On a dark, stormy and possibly drunk evening in late 2009, Habledash was launched to deliver political insight and inappropriate humor from a conservative perspective to the news, while exposing the radical liberal agenda and the Obama administration"

Ahh its a right-wing "humor" site... unfortunately didn't Fox try to replicate The Daily Show... and boy miserable failure doesn't beging to describe Foxs efforts at humor. You see the humor just doesn't work from the right... especially when they attack the poor while the top 400 richest Americans control more wealth than the bottom 150 million.
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+1 # RE: RE: Satire?Greg Y 2011-07-26 11:12
It constantly amazes me that Fox Network comes up with a show as funny as Family Guy while all other attempts are so clumsy and pathetic. Does the right hand at Fox not talk to the left? Oh, silly question, there is nothing "left" at Fox, which begs the question, how do funny and somewhat liberal shows escape the Fox vacuum?
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+20 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAn American 2011-07-26 10:10
Nothing funny about this piece or the impeding d death of a once great nation!
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+22 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthybill 2011-07-26 10:12
not buying this crap. the world has changed and the wealthy need to start payin up. no more 15% tax rates on the majority of their income. tax all income at the same progressive tax rates as exist now and tear up the irs tax code. it would go a long way to correcting the malincentives built into the tax code that is ONE reason for the deficit and the weak economy. not the only reason by far but it would be a step in the right direction.
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+1 # tax on wealthyeloise lanum 2011-07-26 12:30
It's actually 15% to 17% and you have forgotten the STATE tax. In California the rate is 13% and up. Therefore: the actual tax rate is : 28% to 30%. California is raising their State tax too. Oh, and this is starts before you make $200,000 a year - not even CLOSE to a million.
(don't forget property tax & city tax).
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0 # RE: tax on wealthymartis 2011-07-26 14:46
i believe that state taxes are deductible from the fed calc
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-3 # RE: RE: tax on wealthymt 2011-07-26 16:30
you believe? nice input. I believe in... oh wait, believing something doesn't make it true so i'll keep my comment to myself
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+2 # Working Poor aka Middle ClassTom Jones 2011-07-26 17:47
He is right. The state tax is based on net income after deducting what was paid to the IRS. Real simple math. You know all those taxes you are talikng about- the struggling middle class pay those too without all the lovely tax deductions available to the rich. Time to pony up rich boys and girls. Trickle Down Economics DOES NOT WORK. When are you going to get that through your thick skulls- it never has and it never will.
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+31 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAlsan 2011-07-26 10:13
Yeah, Obama sure did a lot of name calling in that speech with attacks like "Because neither party is blameless for the decisions that led to this problem, both parties have a responsibility to solve it" and "And to his credit, this is the kind of approach the Republican Speaker of the House, John Boehner, was working on with me over the last several weeks". And all this for trying to do something that has been done 74 times since 1962. But raising the debt ceiling that 75th time... that's socialism! Right?
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+30 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyDEBBIE FLAKE 2011-07-26 10:17
I am glad to see most comments see past the rhetoric of the article. The "balanced approach" is the common sense approach. What has the middle class gotten from the past 20-30 years of "trickle down economics"? Many, many have gotten a new standing.....NO T in the middle class anymore. That is the level between poverty and the lower middle class..growing by leaps and bounds.
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+1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 14:42
Thanks for that wonderful insight Ms. Rand.
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+22 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyBrian Pottorff 2011-07-26 10:22
"But realize this, to the liberal readers, history is not on the side of the policies they're pushing for."

I disagree. At the moment, the nations doing best are the mature socialist democracies like Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Canada.
On the other hand, the countries where the purest forms of laissez faire capitalism are practiced are called banana republics and failed states.
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+21 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthySpanky 2011-07-26 10:26
When people a few years back started talking about the brainwashing going on from Fox and the talk radio blatherers I thought it was tinfoil-hatism. Now I see I am wrong. The state of American education is so low that people like the author of this pile of dross really *do* believe these lies. Repeat "socialism" enough times and they stare blankly and mumble about "taking back" America. It's pathetic. The tax rates are their lowest in a half-century. The REPUBLICANS spend trillions we didn't have in the last decade. These are what we call FACTS. They differ from fantasies about "socialism" and "big government" in that they are REAL and provable. I don't think it's possible to fix these problems since the tipping point may have been met and we are too heavy with mouth-breathers like this author to retreat from the brink.
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+14 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyCavalier54 2011-07-26 10:27
Is this site another lame attempt by Fox news to produce "irony" and "satire"> Didn't they learn from the ill-fated "Half Hour News Hour" that right wingers have not the depth to understand irony? In other words irony is lost on those who produce irony. Ironic isn't it?
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+15 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAverage Joe 2011-07-26 10:34
Wake up America! Stop voting these robber barons steal the greatness of our country! It is the people that this nation was formed by and for. Not corporations. No more bailouts, no more tax cuts for the very wealthy. If they have anything at all, it is because this great nation allowed them to conduct their business in our free economy. Mine and yours, not just theirs.

Do the right thing America. Show the world we can lead the way in democracy and quality of life for all our citizens.
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+1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAverage Joe 2011-07-26 10:37
^Second sentence above should read, " Stop voting these robber barons in that steal the greatness of our country!"

My apologies.
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0 # hah good oneRyan 2011-07-26 10:40
"America is a capitalist society" No. Wrong. America is a mixed-economy, which is neither entirely capitalist nor socialist. No country in the world is 100% capitalist.

"President Obama is the one that's political posturing" agreed, only the Democrats are playing political games, Republicans are just talking gosh-darn honest good policy. Seriously, listen to yourself.
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+2 # RE: hah good oneChris 2011-07-26 17:27
Exactly! America is a democratic society with a mixed economy. Capitalism isn't a society, it's an economic system (article credibility now completely out the window). A socialist leaning economy can still be a democratic society too. This nation was built by people, for people, not for corporate entities that are offered the same rights as people. There should be no argument that the founders of this nation had a democracy in mind with a mixed economy. As democracy and mixed economies go hand-in-hand, capitalism and corporatocracy go hand in hand.
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-1 # Oh seriously?Innocent 2011-07-26 17:34
Oh wow, this statement was so ignorant I do not know where to go. Have you ever attempted to run a business? It is obvious from your comment here you would fail and probably miserably, or at least run at so slim a margin that a sneeze would blow you over. Sorry just my observation.
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+1 # RE: Oh seriously?Chris 2011-07-26 17:54
Corporation, no; lifestyle business, yes. Not that it means anything, but my minor is in entrepreneurshi p. I guess you run a business right? And your margins are great, huh? And do people enjoy your judgmental pretentious expertise? My margins are pretty slim, because I try to give people value for their dollar at a good price. It's a sole proprietorship ran as a lifestyle business. That means that I only bring home what I need (which isn't much... for anyone really). You should read an American history book. It'll teach you about the people that founded this country and about their beliefs. If they could only see the HUGE corporations, conglomerates and multinationals that come from this country, I'd bet they would be very disappointed. After all they believed in state and local governments, why wouldn't they believe in local businesses?
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-1 # No on the contraryInnocent 2011-07-26 18:16
I do run a business and I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO MAKE A PROFIT. Most of the inability for me to make a larger profit is because it is hard to 1 ) hire people to do work, 2 ) deal with the high taxes that I have to pay for the people I hare 3 ) give value to people when I have to pay high taxes and large salaries to keep people of talent. The point is you were complaining earlier that you are only making $27,000 a year, Heck what if I said I could offer you a job right here an now that could make you $40,000 to $50,000 a year but is a hard job to do? That it requires self discipline and a willingness to get it done? Would you take it?

Look there is tons of money to be made but it requires you to go out and make it and to be honest most people simply don't care enough.
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-1 # RE: No on the contraryStuckInUtah 2011-07-26 18:52
How does anything you've said make your case that Chris' comments were ignorant?

Of course, it is possible to make more money! Chris said that he keeps the profit margins low ON PURPOSE, which is actually quite commendable. If business people, in general, were more interested in passing on value than their own personal profit margins, we would all be much better off.

Btw, if you are paying too much in taxes for your business, it is probably because our system favors large scale businesses. I believe I heard something about Obama wanting not just to cut tax rates for the middle class, but for small businesses...
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0 # What is IgnoranceInnocent 2011-07-26 19:45
Ignorance means you do not know for yourself. First if you read on Chris does not sell anything, second until you run a business and see just how many fees and taxes there are you really don't know how laborious they are. Hence the ignorant portion of the response.
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+2 # RE: What is IgnoranceStuckInUtah 2011-07-26 20:02
Hmm, let's break it down, shall we? Here are Chris' statements...

1. America is a democratic society with a mixed economy.

2. Capitalism isn't a society, it's an economic system.

3. A socialist leaning economy can still be a democratic society too.

4. This nation was built by people, for people, not for corporate entities that are offered the same rights as people.

5. There should be no argument that the founders of this nation had a democracy in mind with a mixed economy

6. As democracy and mixed economies go hand-in-hand, capitalism and corporatocracy go hand in hand.

Which statement is ignorant? Which statement draws any conclusions related to how difficult it is to start a business?
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-1 # Ah I was responding to a differnet point and it wound up here lolInnocent 2011-07-26 20:09
You have the wrong thread for this statement I do not know why it was under this. However I would point out the following 'mixed economy' America does not have a mixed Economy. There are really only two types of economy Centrally Planned and Capitalistic. How is the US Economy Centrally planned, I am willing to concede the point if you can cite something.
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+1 # RE: Ah I was responding to a differnet point and it wound up here lolStuckInUtah 2011-07-26 20:34
Ah, now it makes sense.
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-1 # Chirs it is houshlds not AmericansInnocent 2011-07-26 18:17
Chris it is 2% of all households, and yes you can be making a lot more money than you currently do.
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+4 # RE: Chirs it is houshlds not AmericansChris 2011-07-26 18:44
$27,000 annually is enough for me to be on my own. It is a meager income, but I'm happy to say I make it myself. If you're offering me a job, I respectfully decline because I thoroughly enjoy mine. I'm not as money-motivated as most. I wasn't complaining about MY salary; my contempt is toward the exorbitant corporate salaries. I realize I need to start somewhere in my market, and I look at the goal of getting my loans paid, not making $250K annually, I really have no desire for it.

No matter which way you cut it, you're profits will not be as strong in most cases since there is probably a large corporation undercutting you for your market share. e.g. Wal-Mart vs. any mom and pop's retailer.

Oh, and you got me, I misstated and you're right. Without the spouse's $30K salary, some wouldn't be considered in that 2%. You could probably argue that most of that wealth is acquired by one person in nearly all of those households, but you have a null point.
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-2 # Good for youInnocent 2011-07-26 19:49
Chris that is great that you do not feel motivated to do more or earn more and are content with what you have, but why then are you concerned at all that others DO make more? Should you not be content that they are providing something for others and that they in turn are being rewarded with monetary gain? Why care if they 'have more' so what?

As for the households I brought it up for a different point. There are about what $110 Million Households and this year we are planning on spending $6.2 Trillion in Government Spending.

My point is that while it is nice you are content to earn $27,000 a year your government is spending $56,000 on you this year. Do you not think that excessive?
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0 # RE: RE: Chirs it is houshlds not AmericansDavidPun 2011-07-27 00:50
Chris, I don't think the problem is people making a lot of money per se.The real problem in the modern US is that the executive level and board of most large corporations are a closed shop where people in power work relentlessly to secure their total control over the resources of the corporation and their ability to rape it at will. It is a private boys club of executives and boards of directors. Boards of directors should be paying corporate executives as little as possible. We should see companies attempting to attract as many investors as possible by boasting how little they pay their executives. If these guys have got nowhere to go, then they won't go anywhere and will still do their jobs to get as much as they can.
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0 # Chris.......... .....tnrthoma 2011-07-29 08:46
My Husband owns a small business & doesn't bring home a paycheck- per se. Most of his profits are eaten up by good salaried employees, vendors, utilities, taxes.......... .we both try to keep our prices low but..... we can to a certain point?
We are now no longer considered middle class ( as of 2007) but under the poverty level & really think the poor should be looked after in a fair & dignified manner. We are not on welfare ( that is for pple who need this support & many do not) but cut Medicare????
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+1 # RE: hah good oneBebe99 2011-07-26 18:22
Hey don't do their satire for them!
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+5 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGreg Kopp 2011-07-26 10:46
"America is a capitalist society"? Just don't recall reading that in the Constitution or Declaration. Socialist paranoia is driving us to extremism. A balanced blend of the best social and capitalist mechanisms would serve the business and individual interests of our government by the people and for the people.
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-24 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 10:54
Wow. Jealousy of the wealthy is not becoming. Work as hard as the wealthy do and you can be there too. Why aren't you rich? You have the same opportunity as the wealthy do. This article is spot on accurate. The top 5% of wage earners pay 40% of all revenue. 51% of wage earners pay nothing - they are free loading and want more? Everyone should contribute.
Go get a second or third job and stop whining.
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+9 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAlsan 2011-07-26 11:00
Yeah, it sure is easy for the kids growing up in under-funded inner-city schools to get that cushy spot in Harvard, spend four years drinking with frat buddies and then become president.
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+1 # Two ExtremesEd 2011-07-26 11:35
BOTH Alsan and Gen Patton are being extreme in their views. Middle and poor class do NOT have "same opportunity as wealthy do" Its harder no question. But this doesn't mean its impossible. Its still possible, there are many avenues such as the military, some loan money, But its not possible if you get trapped along the way (legal problems and/or having kids) You have to be extra disciplined and smart. AND it is true that the poor are "jealous" of the rich to some extent which helps nobody. Also the unusual example that Alsan cites of the kid that "spends years drinking with Frat buddies, going to Harvard and then becoming president" is really not valid for anything other than to justify a bit of an increase in tax for the very wealthy. Its certainly doesn't involve many kids in the real world and shouldn't really be part of the discussion.
We need to compromise more....we need to tax the wealthy a bit more AND we DO need to lower entitlements... including and esp. welfare.
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+4 # RE: Two ExtremesGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 14:57
Bull... If you get trapped and have kids? Someone force you to have sex? LOL. Get a second job, shut up and go to work. Invent something. You have the same opportunity as anyone else. Yale and Harvard are not the only colleges around.
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+5 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyquercus 2011-07-26 12:28
Quoting Alsan:
Yeah, it sure is easy for the kids growing up in under-funded inner-city schools to get that cushy spot in Harvard, spend four years drinking with frat buddies and then become president.



I think you mean Yale.
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-1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthytired of tbaggers 2011-07-27 07:42
Quoting quercus:
Quoting Alsan:
Yeah, it sure is easy for the kids growing up in under-funded inner-city schools to get that cushy spot in Harvard, spend four years drinking with frat buddies and then become president.



I think you mean Yale.


A simple thing like a fact matters?
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+10 # agreedRyan 2011-07-26 11:05
It's like I had the same opportunity as George W. Bush to succeed in life, I just did not have the work ethic or attention to detail that made him successful.
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-2 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyBrian Pottorff 2011-07-26 11:09
Quoting GeneralPatton:
The top 5% of wage earners pay 40% of all revenue.


The top 1% possess over 47% of the financial wealth in this country. Why shouldn't they pay more? And I am not jealous of the rich. I would feel shame to have that much money.
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-1 # It's simplePaul 2011-07-26 11:14
Cut your income)Bush tax cuts), increase your spending(Bush tax cuts) and you grow your debt. I wonder how long it is going to take the masses that bought the hollow conservative line of tax cutting to realize they are not benefitting, but paying? Probably when they no longer receive social security or medicare and find themselves having to go back to work at 72 years of age. The cost of doing business, the cost of living, continually goes up, but the credulous actually believe you can somehow pay less, and get a lot more. Oh well. We as Americans are obviously not going to pull our heads out of our rears and start living in reality until we lose everything.
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+3 # RE: It's simpleGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 15:00
Actually revenue grew by $300 Billion after the Bush Tax Cuts. Tax Cuts equals more jobs, more turns of money. Government money is just like paying yourself your own salary.
It's a lie by DEMS and liberals that tax cuts are why we are in this mess. We are in this mess because congress both DEMS and GOP spend our money to buy our votes.
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0 # RE: RE: It's simpletired of tbaggers 2011-07-27 07:44
I call shinanigans, please cite your sources.
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+2 # RE: RE: It's simpleJeff77479 2011-07-27 09:35
Revenue grew *in spite of* the Bush tax cuts, not because of them.
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-1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyallison 2011-07-26 11:19
I agree with you that the lowest-paid workers should pay something in taxes - even if it's only 1% - but you are wrong about everything else. The rich are where they are not because of "hard work" alone. They pay their employees as little as possible and charge their customers as much as possible, so that the entire american economic system is a massive transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class up to the rich. There is class warfare indeed and the rich are kicking the asses of the other 98%. The poor are not "free loading" - they are working for peanuts and buying products that enrich the rich.
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+4 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyBronxBonger 2011-07-26 11:28
Wow. Your tenous grasp of reality is not becoming. The wealthy huh...I'm assuming your throwing in criminals, politicians, lobbyists and people born with money into your argument. Most are plenty wealthy. How hard they worked to become wealthy is a story for another day in your Bizarro fantasy world. The top 5% may pay 40% of the revenues in this country but they are also the ones benefitting the most from tax loopholes, corporate welfare and the trillions that government spends on "National" defense and infrastructure. Somebody is making money in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm pretty sure its the top 5%. Go get a 2nd or 3rd life!
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-2 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyChris 2011-07-26 17:39
HAHA! Jealousy, eh? The statistics don't lie. 2% of all 300,000,000 Americans make it to wealthy. Wealthy is annual income of $250K and up. Almost all of that 2% inherit that wealth. I work VERY hard at my job for a meager $27,000 annually. I have a degree and am in $90K school loan debt. Will you teach me how to be like that 2% please? Actually don't, I don't want to be wealthy; I don't like what they've done to my country. I would like to see more equality in a nation built on the concept of equality. I would end up donating all of those millions away anyway. Hell, I already donate on my meager wages, do you with all your wealth?
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+2 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyBebe99 2011-07-26 18:27
The top 1% earned 8% of income in 1980, now they are pushing 25%! Trickle down was the first salvo in the war on the middle class. They started it. We have the lowest tax rates in 50 years. There is no cap on wages, so the wealthiest get to take most of it. Greed is universal. And no rich person ever has enough money. If the rich want others to pay taxes, allow them earn enough to do so.
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+3 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyDavidPun 2011-07-27 01:05
I think there are many people who deserve the wealth they get. The Bill Gates, Steve Jobs types are great wealth creators and I don't grudge them 1 cent of what they have. But why in the name of all that is holy should a CEO who is keeping some big lumbering corporation chugging along, get the huge financial returns that they get. This is not justifiable wealth. This is clever people gaining control over a company and its board of directors and using their power to cream off as much as they can. It is the investors who deserve the returns, not the housekeepr they put in charge. Don't get me started on Wall street bankers. You think the poor in this country have a sense of entitlement, just wait till you speak to a Wall Street banker. They don't earn that money. They control the bank resources and take as much for themselves as they can get their greedy hands on with absolutely no accountability for results.
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-2 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyjohnnybgood 2011-07-26 11:00
In light of following, maybe it doesn't matter, since there is no solution: In light of global warming, twice as many people working for government than manufacturing, (more than combined construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities), government social welfare payouts equaling one-third of all wages in the USA, food cost rising for poverty-stricke n across the world, zaniness of GMO grains "copyrighting" issues when cross-fertilizi ng other fields and world hunger, upward costs in US medical practices DUE TO GENUINE ADVANCES IN LIFE-SAVING/IMP ROVING TECHNIQUES, and corresponding insurance increases...
and that Mayan calendar new age coming. Terrence McKenna baby! Nibiru, where are you? or maybe a good bird flu would do. Or maybe oil will (or has) peaked. How can people think things will just go on as they have? It doesn't matter if debt limit is increased. The population is just grown too large for any taxpayers to uphold.
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-1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyjohnnybgood 2011-07-26 11:09
large and NEEDY
(net needy over innovative/resi lient)
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+3 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 11:11
When people's unemployment money runs out - they go and find a job.
When people's welfare money runs out they go and find a job.
When you cater to your children, they never stand on their own 2 feet. You have to let them fail a few times, get a few bruisies so that they can be stronger and have the wisdom to succeed.
This is our biggest national sin. Not letting people fail on their own and pick themselves up dust themselves off and start again. No character. It's clear from President's Obama's behavior he's never had that experience himself. He's been catered too his whole life.
We have 39% of Americans receiving food stamps or welfare. 39%? 39% of Americans are unable to help themselves? Come on - really? I worked 2 or 3 jobs while putting myself thru college growing up in a poor inner city. I made it without any support, food stamps, subsides from government. This America. Go get it.
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+3 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyquercus 2011-07-26 12:37
Obama catered to??? Black -male child of a single mother, the absolute top category likely to wind up in prison or dead by 30. Middle to lower middle class background, no family money, this guy made it on his own start to finish. His plus was a mother who put her child first and saw to it that he had an education.
OK you don't like his politics, whatever, but to say Obama has been catered to? What alternate universe are you living in? The plain fact is that to get where he is today Obama had to be smarter and better than the competition for his whole life.
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+3 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 15:04
Obama was raised by a PhD educated mother who worked for the State Deparment and international banking. His step father was an oil executive. His father went to Harvard. Hardly middle class if you ask me. His story about single mother raisng him is another of his lies. I see you bought it. He's never struggled a day in his life. He's never had a 40 hour/week job before. Even now we are lucky if he works 20 hours/week between all the $38,500/couple dinner parties, basketball, date nights with Michelle, vacations, golf and now campaigning.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyEd 2011-07-26 14:53
Obama aside, you're right about the rest we've got to change our welfare system. BUT we've also got to do something to bring the disproportionat e wealth distribution... ie. back to something of what it was like in the 1950's.
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyJeff77479 2011-07-27 09:42
Republicans simply are not willing to acknowledge reality:

End social programs, and people will suddenly find jobs.
Ignore the debt ceiling, and nothing will happen.
Produce green house gasses endlessly, and climate will not change.
Cut taxes and revenues will go up.
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+1 # Political FictionRobert 2011-07-26 11:03
Boehner’s Response Is Work of Political Fiction:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-26/boehner-s-response-is-work-of-political-fiction-jonathan-alter.html
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyjohnnybgood 2011-07-26 11:03
I mean, if factories were a lot less efficient than they are today, there might be some hope, but the trend is towards more efficiency (meaning fewer workers per product), and, quite frankly, America is no longer the country it once was. It is no longer so easy to start up a business that would support workers. Workman's comp, etc., for starting businesses.... people have to be supermen (sorry...superp eople) to start something today.
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+3 # America not the country it once was?Ed 2011-07-26 11:19
True it isn't but we should still strive toward making it "what it once was" because that's the only proven path that works. ..ie. easier to start a small business, less ultra-rich, more production of basic goods in this country, better work ethic, less entitlements. What does this boil down to? First step in the process? Quit with the entrenched philosophies and COMPROMISE! Have some reduction in entitlement spending AND some increased taxes for the wealthy.
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-9 # RE: America not the country it once was?GeneralPatton 2011-07-26 11:28
The wealthy already pay most of the taxes - 5% of Americans pay 40% of the taxes. That's a fact. The answer is EVERYONE should pay taxes -let me repeat - EVERYONE should pay taxes - no matter how much you make. Everyone contributes.
It's a lie to say wealthy people are not contributing. Plain and simple a lie. It's a classic socialist, marxist statement to get uninformed people to buy into socialism. Looks like you are on that bus.
Don't you think it's a crime that 5% of Americans are forced to carry the load?
Let me repeat the facts. 5% of Americans pay 40% of our tax revenue. 51% of Americans pay NOTHING!
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+3 # RE: RE: America not the country it once was?Ed 2011-07-26 11:54
The richest 1 percent's share of national wealth has doubled - from around 9 percent in 1977 to over 20 percent now. The richest one-tenth of 1 percent's share has tripled. The 150,000 households that comprise the top one-tenth of one percent now earn as much as the bottom 120 million put together. This inequality is even greater if you go back to 1950.

Also 40% is not "most of the taxes" ! Yes it is most, per capita, but not the "most" You're forgetting the other 60% ...paid for mostly by the middle class. Its also true that, compared to past decades, the wealthiest are paying less taxes now then they were! by quite a margin. Particularly in the area of estate taxes. Why should we perpetuate wealth among those that didn't earn it? ie. kids of rich people. Same argument as why should we persist with this multi-generatio nal welfare spending!
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+5 # RE: RE: America not the country it once was?j.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 12:33
You've been watching too much Fox News...

The following info was provided by a poster from another forum:

Here's another example: The most recent data shows that the top 1% income earners (those who make more than $400,000 per year) in the USA hold 22% of the nation's income. So, say we have only 100 people in the country with a combined income of $100. The top 1% (1 person) would take in $22 before taxes, and the other 99 would share $78 (79 cents each) before taxes. Based upon the current Bush era tax rates, the top 1% (1 person) would pay 35% in taxes on the $22, leaving that person with $14.30 in after-tax income. The other 99 people would pay, on average, 20% in taxes on their "79 cents", and have after tax-income of "65 cents". So, out of $100 combined income, the top 1% of the country's income earners (those making more than $400K) walk away with $14.30 (after taxes) and the other 99% of Americans walk away with $0.65 each.
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-4 # RE: RE: RE: America not the country it once was?GeneralPatton 2011-07-26 12:58
LOL. American education system failure. There isn't a single correct math calcuation in your analysis. Actually the correct analysis is that 51% of the bottom wage pay nothing, they actually get something back.
The real analysis is that 1 person pays $7.70 in taxes, 51 people pay nothing or get something back and 48 people pay 16 cents.
Why should 1 person pay more than anyone else? Why should 51 people pay nothing?
The wealthy myth exploded. The weathly always pay more in taxes because they make more money.
Once the projessives and unions took control of our education system total failure of well education people.. You prove it.
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-1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: America not the country it once was?BronxBonger 2011-07-26 13:18
Your last sentence looks like it was composed by a monkey popping pills. Better break out your grammar book to genius!
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: America not the country it once was?GeneralPatton 2011-07-26 13:55
LOL. I ran out of letters so I back typed. That did not go well. Last 2 sentences should have said:
Once the progressives and unions took control of our education system it has been a Total Failure. You prove it.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: America not the country it once was?j.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 13:33
Oh Patton, really-I mean nice rhetorical attempt, I'll give you credit for that.

"Why should 1 person pay more than anyone else?"
$7.70 vs. 16 cents, and pls don't give me that clap trap about job creators and nobody was ever hired by a poor person. Even Warren Buffett acknowledges such simple logic.

"Why should 51 people pay nothing? The wealthy myth exploded. The weathly always pay more in taxes because they make more money."
If 51 pay nothing than that 1 person must not be creating too many jobs (oh yeah, they all must be lazy welfare loafers living off you).

"The wealthy myth exploded."
It's all in your head Patton, it's all in your head.

"You prove it."
I guess if you're an unoriginal ideologue you can prove anything...to yourself. Don't let that MBA go to yr' head; it's wasn't made for that.
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+2 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: America not the country it once was?GeneralPatton 2011-07-26 15:14
51% of Americans pay no taxes because you were purchased by Obama to be a loyal supporter. He's got you hooked. Beleving that someone else's property should belong to you. That's Marxism baby, socialism. Go read 5000 year leap. Learn something.
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: America not the country it once was?johnnybgood 2011-07-26 17:40
The argument is that certain groups are marginalized and unable to get a piece of the American pie... the other side being those who succeed in getting their slice are forced to share what they have gotten in order to bear the failure of others...
the reason given simply being
"they are your fellow Americans and thus you must support them" ... that is all pretty loaded. Capitalism works best when people feel they can keep what they get, socialism works best when people are willing to share and do their part. Capitalism seems to match the real world better. Socialism may work in European countries that share a strong common identity of race and heritage... seems America is too diverse for that.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: America not the country it once was?johnnybgood 2011-07-26 17:42
"supposed to" not "forced to"... sorry
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: America not the country it once was?darwan 2011-07-27 08:44
well , it's not 51% but much less ~ but 50 and 51% keeps being repeated and repeated from a 2009 embellishment (lie) that was allowed to go unchallenged.

And they don't pay taxes because they didn't make the amount required to pay taxes and has nothing to do anyone being "bought" as you suggest.

This disparity existed long before the 44th President took office Sir. and it is a travesty.

How would you fare on $12,000.00 dollars per year? How much could you afford to pay in Federal Taxes?
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0 # Working poor aka Middle ClassTom Jones 2011-07-26 17:58
I can tell you didn't get much out school- just take a look at your grammar and syntax (syntax is how one structures a sentence). Progressive is spelled with a 'g' not a 'j'. Your last sentence is a bit garbled as well. Your math is incorrect as you have not noted that we have what is called a progressive tax code. Come back to me when you can do the math correctly. You get an 'F' you moron Tea-Bagger.
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0 # French revolution bring it on!Patricia St. Clair 2011-07-26 15:53
Wake up & smell the crap! The wealthy have great accountants that find every little deductable (including vacations, cars, homes, travel, all expenses paid for, almost anything their heart desires). Do you really think those, also wealthy, top accountants don't screw with their taxes & get them down so far you can't ever dig them up? Welcome to the real world, I've worked for the wealthy & I've seen the benefits they acquire through their handy dandy accountants BS. What they pay in taxes doesn't even make a ripple in that pond called wealth!! We, on the other hand, get 1/3 of our wages taken out & that's a tital wave in the ocean of most Americans!! You must have $$, you speak the language very well!
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0 # Middle Class aka working poorTom Jones 2011-07-26 17:53
Yeah- They may pay 40% of the taxes but they own 90% of the wealth. Sounds like sweetheart deal to me. Quit defending the rich- they already have John Boner and Co. in Congress doing it for them
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+1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyEd 2011-07-26 11:57
Fewer workers is only one measure of efficiency. Another important one is quality of product produced. There are several others.
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyjohnnybgood 2011-07-26 17:34
that is true, but as I type this on my made-in-China laptop, realizing how high the rate of suicide is in the factory-city that produced it, and also realizing it is probably the best notebook computer I have ever owned (are any made in the USA?) I have very mixed feelings.

We are not the WORLD we once were. Maybe that makes more sense than saying we are not the USA we once were.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyEd 2011-07-26 18:09
You're right but we have to work with what we've got and try to make things better if we can. And....we have to start with our own country for a change.
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-2 # CEOjames bennett 2011-07-26 11:09
Well said Mr. President!!! :roll:
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyCavalier54 2011-07-26 11:12
As a country I think that we are officially dysfunctional and can no longer deal with our problems. We are at a point where the only way to stop the madness is to let this thing go over the edge and we not raise the debt ceiling. While I think it would be catastrophic, one thing is for sure it will call somebody's bluff once and for all. If the tea partiers are right about it not being a big thing (and I don't think they are) then they will have won and the country will fall in behind them. If not and we have catastrophe then that will be the end of the Tea Party. Either way is preferable to the current state of dysfunction.
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+6 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAverage Joe 2011-07-26 11:26
What if people stopped investing in companies with improper business practices? What if we took all our money out of banks that had taken government bailouts? What if everyone stopped carrying balances on their credit cards? (Have you really looked at how much money you give away in interest if you carry a balance? Money that goes into the pockets of some of the greediest and wealthiest.)

Stop watching TV, walk more, get out in the world, meet people in your neighborhood, talk about these issues face to face. Show up at your political forums, and stop voting based on party lines. Look at the qualities of your candidate. Where are their financial ties?
Our media sells dissatisfaction , don't buy it. You are okay just being you. You don't need what they are selling.

Above all, think for yourself, you might find you have more in common with that republican/demo crat across the street than you thought. The party name is just a label, don't let it define you.
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-6 # Tax "Loopholes" for JetsJoe Detroit 2011-07-26 12:23
This direct attack on Jet Owners is foolish, let me tell you why. You close this loophole and Aircraft purchases go down and jet operation is reduced across the country. Which translates to less aircraft workers needed, less pilots needed, less people to pump avgas into those jets.
Not to mention, this is one of the few industries America still dominates.
Same thing with taking away a yacht incentive. The rich people will just use everything less and buy less new things. Costing jobs AND tax revenue.
We need these incentives to remain in place, it will cost factory workers, line workers and pilots their jobs.
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+4 # RE: Tax "Loopholes" for JetsRobert 2011-07-26 12:40
Yeah, lets keep those jet & yacht builders employed. We can just continue firing teachers, fireman & cops to make up for the revenue lost from these loopholes.
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 12:23
"...any American making more than $200,000 a year, which ultimately hurts small business owners and employment": typical conservative tripe. & it's about time for real class warfare, and not just political posturing (think storming of the Bastille meets the Civil War for starters). We need our own "Third Estate" class war to once and for all send these trickle downers and so-called job creators to the guillotine.
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+1 # You are nutsJoe Detroit 2011-07-26 12:34
I was given nothing, I went to college and worked 2 jobs to pay for it. I graduated with a degree, worked for 2 large companies and didn't like how either was run. I started my own company and do well as well employ 30+ people. If you don't like something work harder and take a risk.

But don't sit there and advocate penalizing me for having the experience of working 70-80 hours week for years to build a successful business, often worrying that the company would go under and I would go bankrupt. Now we are profitable and successful and all I hear is how I should pay my fair share. Which I do and then some, not to mention we provide quarterly bonuses, 401k and no-cost health insurance to our employees.

Then you want to promote murder and revolution for me. You are insane.
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-1 # RE: You are nutsj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 12:37
self righteous Horatio Alger sonata...
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0 # RE: RE: You are nutsj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 12:40
Try to get your American rugged individualist mythology mentality at least semi-straight, then we can perhaps avoid such "class warfare."

see next post...
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0 # RE: RE: RE: You are nutsj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 12:41
From another poster & forum:

Here's another example: The most recent data shows that the top 1% income earners (those who make more than $400,000 per year) in the USA hold 22% of the nation's income. So, say we have only 100 people in the country with a combined income of $100. The top 1% (1 person) would take in $22 before taxes, and the other 99 would share $78 (79 cents each) before taxes. Based upon the current Bush era tax rates, the top 1% (1 person) would pay 35% in taxes on the $22, leaving that person with $14.30 in after-tax income. The other 99 people would pay, on average, 20% in taxes on their "79 cents", and have after tax-income of "65 cents". So, out of $100 combined income, the top 1% of the country's income earners (those making more than $400K) walk away with $14.30 (after taxes) and the other 99% of Americans walk away with $0.65 each.
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+2 # You're not the problemMatt Seattle 2011-07-26 13:28
The problem is the ultra-rich, mega corporations who pay little to nothing in wages, Health Insurance and 401ks. They outsource everything they can overseas and collect billions and hide it in overseas, tax free accounts. Those are the people you are siding with. Liberals love people like you (If you're telling the truth).
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0 # Middle Class aka Working PoorTom Jones 2011-07-26 18:03
Hear that??? Its the world's smallest violin playing "Poor, Poor Miserable Rich Little Me". Gosh you are such a great guy- we should give you even more tax breaks- NOT. Pay your fair share or can't you get by without a new Escalade every other year??
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-1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 12:47
And exactly when have you been employeed by a poor person? Apparently you like most Americans are ignorant of tax code. Most small business owners, actually anyone who starts a small business, pays tax on the business on their "Personal" income. Why? Corporate tax code is so complicated it costs too much until you are a big company to pay lawyers. So your small businesses - usally those under 100 employees pay corporate tax on their personal income. Example. As a business owner I pay myself $75,000/year salary. My company made $250,000 in profit last year. That money now rolls to my personal taxes - making me at $325,000. I have to pay taxes on personal income of $325,000 but $250,000 is owned by the company. It stays in the company bank account, does not come to me, I can not spend it but gets taxed on my personal taxes. So it looks like I make $325,000 but I only make $75,000. Get it? These are how most small businesses taxes work.
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+3 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 13:04
This is such a standard "status quo" argument by someone of your income bracket ilk-"when have you been employeed by a poor person..." I'm very aware of flow through taxation for LLC's, etc., but the point here is ongoing INEQUITY, and you just will never get it, ever, as evidenced by the very trite & routine small business argument. Again, this is the brainwashed American trickle down mentality, but we all know it's nothing more than a leaky bucket-your chosen Godly business acumen & benevolence never really finds its way "down" to the so-called "commoners." Unfortunately we'll never see eye to eye so there's little chance of rational discourse going forward.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 13:28
If you work hard you will be rewarded. Nothing is equal in life. Each of us is born with an ability to do something. It's living up to that ability that is important. There will never be equality - because no one has the exact same set of skills as another. Contribute what you can and to the best of your abilities is what we should be promoting - not class welfare.
Clearly you are NOT aware of the tax flowthru for small businesses or you wouldn't be posted your comments. Did you see my post about how it really works?
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0 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 14:24
"If you work hard you will be..." Do you work for Hallmark? More typical social Darwinism. Don't you guys know another song? & Yes, I am quite aware of tax flow through because I work for a small hedge fund & I help explain to our investors how taking profits will impact their personal income. Don't be such a know-it-all all the time.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyBronxBonger 2011-07-26 13:52
So by your reasoning every small business owner just starting a business must be rich? "exactly when have you been employed by a poor person". You said it so where is the proof of this ridiculous statement.

I guess when Gates and Allen started Microsoft they were loaded. Maybe with family money...which they didn't earn themselves.

No - Small businesses create (or used to create) the overwhelming majority of jobs in this economy. These jobs are created by educated, innovative, ambitious people with good ideas, products and services to offer. Being rich usually isn't on this list.

Nice try. The wealthy and their flunkies always paint themselves as the victim in the class war when in actuallity they are and always have been the aggressors. Hitler was a victim back in 1932 if they are looking for company.
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyEd 2011-07-26 14:35
B.S. you can't spend it! You can spend it to grow your business and ultimately you will get some of it back. (when you sell or liquidate your business)
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0 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyDeekoo 2011-07-27 03:32
I fail to see the problem here, General. If you control the company, and 'the company' makes $250K profit after you pay yourself $75K, how is that actually different from you making $325K? The fact that you store some of the money in a different bank account?

Also, an awful lot of small business owners rely on customers who are not actually wealthy to stay afloat. If your product is something that the middle class can afford and are likely to want, you'll probably actually be richer in a society that makes it harder to get super-rich or super-poor than in a society where a small fraction of the populace control most of the money and a large fraction have nothing.
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyTMS 2011-07-26 12:39
Of course this is Class Warfare. The wealthy have been waging it on the middle class for over a decade. The middle class is finally waking up to the fact they are in the fight for their livelyhoods. BRING IT ON! WE'RE READY!

CEO's are th enemy. They outsource jobs, they have contempt for their shareholders. They are in it for themselves. How many times have we been reminded that their average slaries are climbing to the stratosphere while the worker and middle execs get screwed with layoffs and subpar wages. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Ther is another class of voters who are madder than hell and it isn't the Tea Party. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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-1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 12:51
I agree, but it's been a lot, lot longer than a decade. For interesting reading which begins to address standard conservative talking points, i.e. "I'm such a benevolent boss" etc. etc. via Joe Detroit, read about the leaky bucket metaphor (Arthur Okun), to see how the wealthy have fleeced the middle class into extinction. If this doesn't qualify as war then nothing does. Yep, I'd say that "insane" pretty much sums it up.

See you at Bull Run Joe D.
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0 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 13:45
Show me exactly how someone who makes more money that you is holding you back from making money too?
What are they stealing from your wallet? This is the cry of jealous person. Go get another job, try 3 jobs and stop wanting to be rich. Get off your .... and do it yourself.
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyj.e.b.stuart 2011-07-26 13:59
I was waiting for you to say "America, love it or leave it" or "pull yourself up by..." Do yourself a favor, go to your public library and start reading Emerson's "Self Reliance" so you have a clue what it actually means.
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+1 # Middle Class aka Working PoorTom Jones 2011-07-26 18:11
No one is saying you are holding anyone back. What you are doing is bankrupting the country by not paying a fair amount of your taxes. We keep giving out tax breaks to the rich under the myth they will create jobs but lo and behold where in the hell are those jobs? For 30 years the US has fed us the Trickle Down myth and all I'm tasting is Rich man piss!
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthydarwan 2011-07-27 11:08
they hold you back with legislation Sir.

they hold you back by removing the ladder that they themselves ascended, SO THEY WON'T BE REQUIRED TO COMPETE. ~ oops! didn't mean to shout.

They hold you back in as many ways they can find at their disposal.

They pay their friends to not allow you the same opportunities that they themselves had.

current example:, mandated voter restrictions and then restrict access to government agencies that create the needed documentation to comply.

Insider Trading; is another example of people being denied a level playing field.

The list is long Sir. ~ If you are not aware of these things, ~ you must not be very engaged in to system or was born with a silver spoon.
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyeminem 2011-07-26 12:47
Its true. we do have entitlement culture and it sucks. but it is also true that we can tax the wealthy more. ore. Who was around when this deficit was created? Thats who you tax.
Also, i dont feel so bad when people earning more than 250K can't buy as many heels as they would like. Cry me a river. I get a little more sympathetic when trying to cut the bus service for the elderly.
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+1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 13:50
How about when they have to fire you because they are paying so much in taxes that can't afford to pay your salary?
Why should anyone pay a higher tax rate than anyone else? Becasue they make more money they already pay more in taxes.
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0 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyEd 2011-07-26 14:27
eminem, Your've got it right! We've got to BOTH cut entitlement spending AND increase tax on wealthy. The wealthy should at least pay what they did back in the 1950's....which was more. BUT a decrease in welfare support should be part of this discussion. And after that we can talk about reducing social security.....ki nda unfair but still probably necessary.
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0 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyGeneralPatton 2011-07-26 15:18
Why should the wealthy pay more?
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyEd 2011-07-26 18:19
1. protection of themselves and their fortunes in a country least likely to take it all from them, also with more security than just about any other country.

2. because they're paying less now than they used to.

3. Because, in a country with a shrinking middle class , if things go on as they are, there will be no one to inovate in the future. (son's of the rich and poor classes produce very few true innovaters)

4. Because the estate tax is ridiculously low today. How many children of rich people to you know that have truly done something with their lives? All a windfall inheiritance does is cause complacency, lassitude and bickering among the offspring due to receive it.
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+2 # Obama debt ceiling speech wages class warfare on wealthyJohn Havis 2011-07-26 12:47
For those who claim the Republicans are cutting medicare, you obviously don't care that Obamacare cuts 500 Billion from Medicare. For those without a job, do you think you will get one when all employers have to pay more taxes and money for Obamacare? Good luck with that. I don't mind paying to help those who cannot work, I just do not want to pay for those who will not work and there are way too many of those. Why is it that Democrats won't cut the 300 million dollars they give to Planned Parenthood or the 350 million they give to public broadcasting. They are both businesses and if they can't survive without government money, they shouldn't be in business. When all my business went to China, the government didn't subsidize me. I sold the equipment and changed my profession, worked hard (something half this country doesn't know how to do) and am doing fine again. Handouts are for losers and socialists like Obama give them handouts to get their votes. He doesn't care about the country.
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0 # RE: Obama debt ceiling speech wages class warfare on wealthyEd 2011-07-26 14:30
A relatively small tax increase on those making over 250,000. plus bring the estate tax back to what it was before isn't going to kill the economy.
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-1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyMike Ragz 2011-07-26 12:49
Wow. I found my way to this site through Google News and thought to myself, "awesome! I love insightful political humor. Maybe I'll bookmark this one." Then I read this article and thought "where's the funny?" Then I thought, "where's the insight?" Then I thought, "I'm never coming back to this site."
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+1 # MrJim 2011-07-26 12:51
Congratulations to the tea party for an effective strategy - those junior members of Congress are doing an absolutely excellent job of obstructing all action while playing brinkmanship with the US economy. Thank you for not taxing me, I hate national security, clean water, public education, caring for the elderly, etc - its much better in countries where they let the wealthy run the show and crap on the poor. Middle class, smiddle class, time to let that pipe dream go losers. Ha ha ha
- A Wealthy American
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0 # poopks 2011-07-26 12:59
Ability ot write articel does not means you are smart or know subject well. If we go by your arguments, America will be third world country in 20 years.
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-1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyJoel M 2011-07-26 13:03
Do you really understand the corporate jet tax hike? At issue is whether to continue a 5-yr depreciation schedule for private owners or change to match the 7 year depreciation for commercial carriers. The proposed change is considered a tax increase as private owners would have an incremental cost increase of ownership. The effect would likely reduce the number of new plane orders and thus apply additional pressure on the already depressed commercial aviation industry. So the 1.2 million workers associated with this industry would be effected. No loophole here, just tax legislation. The accelerated depreciation stimulates the aviation industry, What's wrong with that? The "Close the Tax Loophole for greedy corporations" just rings hollow except to stir up the masses that choose to blindly follow the rhetoric....
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthymanimam 2011-07-26 13:12
Boomer generation was born in 1954 - 1964. (so much consumerism : only 10 yr span)
They started voting at approx 20yo, from 1974 - 1984. They turn 60 at from 2014 to 2024.

Baby Boomers control over 80% of personal financial assets and more than 50% of discretionary spending power. They are responsible for more than half of all consumer spending, buy 77% of all prescription drugs, 61% of OTC medication and 80% of all leisure travel

The defict went up from 40% of GDP to 65% of GDP, in the reagan/bush years.
It went up from 65% of GDP to 80% of GDP in Clinton/BushJr. yrs.
And now Obama has it at about 90% of GDP.

So boomers, pay up!
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyMarvin8 2011-07-26 14:33
Social Security fix: Means testing. The super rich shouldn't get ANY, even if they've paid into the system. It's a SAFETY NET, get it? A SAFETY NET. Or do you prefer being waited on by 80 yr olds at Walmart?
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0 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyJeff77479 2011-07-27 08:19
While we're at it, how about making the Social Security tax payable on ALL levels of income and not giving a free pass to income above a certain amount ($150k?).
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+1 # Mr.Roy 2011-07-26 15:01
So exactly where are all those jobs the rich were supposed to create with the tax cuts they have been enjoying for the past 8+ years?
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0 # RE: Mr.Deekoo 2011-07-27 02:47
I don't know, possibly China?

Tax cuts are a very inefficient way to encourage job creation - every job directly created *is tax-deductible* .
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthyewnbok 2011-07-26 15:42
This is the lamest attempt at satire I've ever seen. You can't claim it's satire to get people to stop name calling, when it's clearly not satire. You obviously have a problem with the dems and Obama, which is fine, but, please, don't try to hide behind a claim of satire. Man up and face the music for what is obviously a partisan article.
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-1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthySuedo 2011-07-26 16:28
President is right. We do need a class warfare. The richer got richer and poor got poorer over the last 10 years. The rich has the money to pay for the funds this nation need. I make over 200K and I am happy to pay my extra taxes. Leave the seniors alone. If I am making money, I have no problem paying taxes. The GOP position that higher taxes destroy small business is BS. There is no proof that business will grow when there is less tax. After all, only of the consumer middle class maoney to spend, any economy will grow. You don't want to cut their benefits and pay. You need to take it from those who have big bank balances - the rich.
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyBallz 2011-07-26 17:38
Was this supposed to be funny?
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-1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthybooklover 2011-07-26 17:46
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthybooklover 2011-07-26 17:47
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyStanley Potts 2011-07-26 17:59
Actually, America WAS and IS very much built on government handouts. That's how we settled the west, build dams, and continually ensure the production of cheap corn, beef, and dairy products. That's how we ensure that the rich don't fall on their face when we continue to make it easy for them to file for bankruptcy(Dona ld trump) while screwing the little guy who owes a few thousand on a credit card. It's just a question of who is getting them and quite frankly I think that most of America sees this situation for what it is -- not as class warfare on the rich but quite the other way around (finally). Now lets hope our "representative s" choose to represent the many rather than the few.
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyFrank Frazier 2011-07-26 18:20
Safire shows his true Quote:
allegence
, to the greedy well off. The rich have been waging the most agressive class welfare against the rest of us for more tha two decades.
We have not seen wealth distribution like now since the 1920s, the "golden age". They think they are the deserving and the nest of us a bunch of slackers. It is past time the rest of us leveled the playing field. To hell with Safire and to hell with the rich!
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0 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAmy Sterling 2011-07-27 05:35
If this is true - maybe you better question your Comrade in the White House. Ask your friends on Social Security when they last got a Cost of Living increase, and if their Medicare cost went up. They encumbered (different from "spent") $800 billion for the "stimulus." And there is very little benefit to be seen and a lot of pain that has already started and is going to spiral outward. Regardless of what you "think" (using that one loosely - since you live in a zerosum fantasy world), this negative situation is just the beginning. Wealth comes from value - if there were no Microsoft products, there would be no Bill Gates. Oooh! Thanks bro - I'd like me some of them Obama Office 2012 products . . . works 2 days a week, demands more incremental payments every time I open the program. When it crashes, it blames George Bush. LOL!
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0 # Class WarfareWeb Commoner 2011-07-27 00:17
The wealthiest 1% has been waging class warfare since Reagan got elected. The President is simply fighting back.
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyTom Philo 2011-07-27 00:48
What is "Rich" - any family that makes more than $127,000 a year! How can that be - once any family makes that threshold then all the highly touted tax writeoffs and subsidies (remember, one person tax write off or subsity is ANOTHER person's taxes) start to disappear. Once you make over $170,000 a year NO deducation for any college education expenses if you send a kid to college, NO deducation for union dues (GASP!) no deductions for required uniforms, or any employment mandated expenses - it ALL is disallowd (along with around 50 other tax write-offs that people usually assume exists) - because according to Congress and you are now RICH!
If you earn 30 million a year shurgable, but VERY few people actually get million or more in cash. And ALL tax rates are based on GROSS income - not net. This hits ALL sole proprieters and famers. No one talks about this aspect of being "rich".
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0 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyDeekoo 2011-07-27 02:45
That last, at least, is incorrect. Taxes on sole proprietorships are based on the income or loss from schedule C, which is net income, NOT gross. I suspect that the same goes for capital gains and farm income, but I am not certain (I'm neither a farmer nor an investor).
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyMichael 2011-07-27 01:02
I wonder about entitlements... . like having negotiated a no competition contract with drug companies for the Medicare Drug Plan. Who is entitled there? Free Market? I am amazed at how brilliantly many middle Americans have been indoctrinated into supporting a party that destroys their own best interests. And that its not what you support that matters but more about what you have disdain for. Never before have I thought this.... but I wish we would do away with political parties... people would be lost not knowing who to hate... they would have to think again... sort out the issues, make constructive value judgements about candidates. Can you imagine if George Bush had succeeded in privatizing social security before the wall street debacle? Sure I'll give up social security if the country will give back the money I have contributed in my lifetime plus a fair interest... then I'll break the contract....
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0 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAmy Sterling 2011-07-27 05:23
I wonder how you can be OK with almost 3 years of horrible performance from the White House that doesn't seem to have a limit, has no bright spots, and lurches from one pathetic disaster to another. Do you think the Prescription Drug benefit has anything to do with the casual "We don't know if we can send Grandma her SS check" thrown off by the President? There's no way to justify that to anybody who does pay their bills or feels a genuine commitment to family. SS recipients got no cost of living increases for the past two years. Their Medicare premiums were increased. The past two years - under THIS administration. They're not "getting their SS $$ now" - what makes you think you'll get "yours"? This Administration has increased spending to 25 percent of this country's GDP, tripling new discretionary spending and no increase for SS recipients, and increased Medicare premiums. THIS administration, not any other. Right here, right now. They call it "Kool-Aid."
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+4 # Mr.vic montalban 2011-07-27 03:26
Stupid Americans! Your country is going to shit and you're still arguing about politics. Wake up!!
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0 # RE: Mr.Amy Sterling 2011-07-27 05:09
Agreed, Vic. Like nobody is asking basic "Can you even vaguely do your job?" questions? This liberal guy can apparently think only that rich people aren't paying enough taxes - meanwhile there is like one active Federal DOL grant program, and every city and county across America that has not already run out of Stimulus cash will by Aug. 1 or Sept. 30 at the latest. And they wouldn't have this problem now if they hadn't used the money before, knowing it would run out and failing to plan. And up front, that was borrowed $$! That's what they're raising the debt ceiling for - to service that borrowed $$, of which about 40% is still not used, but having debt service paid on - mostly out of sheer inefficiency and cluelessness. Doesn't seem like there's a very good mechanism to improve performance and planning. And I've already made it clear what I think of the Executive branch competency and they ARE the ones theoretically responsible for getting things done. Or not.
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0 # RE: Mr.darwan 2011-07-27 09:14
Well, it's true, we are in the toilette but we have company.

When you swim among the sharks, swim with friends.
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthymickeyl 2011-07-27 03:47
It's mystifying, how do the 2% of ultra-wealthy Republicans convince the remaining feeble-minded Republicans to vote an extension of a Trillion-Dollar s tax-break that benefits only 2% of the U.S. population?
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+1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyJeff77479 2011-07-27 07:31
Yes, the Republican Party is basically a *con* run by rich people to keep their taxes as low as possible.

They convince all the middle class whites to vote for them by getting them riled up over abortion, and gays, and guns, and brown people.

If you're rich, and you vote Republican, I understand. Voting your pocketbook can be despicable, but at least it's rational.

If you're not *extremely* wealthy, and you vote Republican, you're just a fool.
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyAmy Sterling 2011-07-27 05:02
I'm going to give my all-purpose statement for all activities of the current Administration: "Olympic Fail." That was the first time all the steps were followed. This just gets rinsed and repeated no matter what the situation. The fact that it's taken this long for most media to notice there's a problem shows there's a "pattern recognition fail" out there, too. For example, with this situation, what was the rationale to publically announce early-on that if the debt ceiling wasn't immediately raised along with taxes by August 2, the President wasn't sure Grandma would get her SS check? Those were his exact words - "We don't know what we can pay or not." Good planning, dude! Thanks for "putting Grandma first." Sure, 10-20% of seniors and people who are almost too dumb to live will buy it. Everybody else? It raises questions of basic competency. Debt Ceiling Fail.
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyRicky_O 2011-07-27 05:40
Whoever the author of this article is, (s)he should try another line of work. There's no humor in it, no delivery, no timing, no anything. Stick to reporting the weather or something.
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthymadsatyrist 2011-07-27 06:04
I've seen better satire on the contents tag of a bag of hog feed. More facts and less BS too.
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyJeff77479 2011-07-27 06:48
The only class warfare being waged is by the wealthy against the middle class.
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0 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyDr. Zee 2011-07-27 07:06
Obama's rhetoric some how remind me Chavez. Where his country now every one know. Without money from rich Obama and Co is empty space.
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0 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthydarwan 2011-07-27 08:32
So it matters where the money comes from as well as the amount?

Kind of go without saying regardless who's the topic.

How do you take "wealth" out of politics?

Perhaps only in the early, opening stages of an open revolution. ~ maybe?
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthydarwan 2011-07-27 08:23
Funny!

It's only called class warfare when we fight back or offer opposition.

If we allow them to do as they wish, ~ it's no longer war fare.

"The absence of war does not constitute a peace"
JFK
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyMommi 2011-07-27 08:35
Quoting mickeyl:
It's mystifying, how do the 2% of ultra-wealthy Republicans convince the remaining feeble-minded Republicans to vote an extension of a Trillion-Dollars tax-break that benefits only 2% of the U.S. population?


How? It's the comradery of their angst concerning the black man in the white house. (I posted this before, must have done something wrong, lo).
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+1 # Humor?John 2011-07-27 08:35
Where is it? I couldn't find it.
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+1 # RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyDave 2011-07-27 08:56
These tax cuts haven't worked. I don't want to pay more in taxes, but I was also making more money during the Clinton years to offset the higher taxes. A rising tide lifts all boats. Our boats haven't been floating in a long time, just sinking. Business was also booming during the Clinton years when taxes were highter. Again, if your business has to pay more money you may not employ as many people. However, at some point if you want to grow your business you have to employ more people. Regardless of your wages. Besides, taxes for the rich are still higher in other countries. Where are they going to move to? China, India? Please.
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+1 # RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on Wealthydarwan 2011-07-27 09:29
Hmm? ~ I'm thinking that our bucket has got a hole in it. It can't be filled and hold water.

The amount leaking out exceeds the amount going in.

a two part problem that requires a two part solution.

Seal the leaks, (wars, gaff,waste,)

Increase the flow. ( demand spending from"ALL" sectors) that are capable to spend.

Post Guard on the bucket!

The tea party has posted guard on an empty bucket while offering few plans to fill it. They seem to have a thing for "buckets"
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+2 # RE: RE: RE: Obama Debt Ceiling Speech Wages Class Warfare on WealthyTerry 2011-07-27 15:33
We need a smaller bucket
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+1 # Mr.Terry 2011-07-27 15:25
Every election year we say we need to vote these clowns out of office. And every time we think we did until the promises during campains are broken. Then we realize its just changing of the guards at the circus.
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